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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;The Faithful Departed&#8217; by Philip F. Lawler</title>
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	<description>By Brother André Marie, M.I.C.M. Dedicated to Saint Joseph the Betrothed, Patron and Protector of the Universal Church</description>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://brotherandre.stblogs.com/2008/01/28/the-faithful-departed/comment-page-1/#comment-343</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got his book a few days ago, could hardly bear to put it down, and am a little sad I finished reading it this morning.  It&#039;s that good.  If you haven&#039;t read it, you should.   Lawler is nuanced and fair in his treatment, and doesn&#039;t over-state his case, which just makes it so much more effective.  Lawler attacks them from the height of proper Catholicism, unlike most of the critics I&#039;ve read.  I was pleased it wasn&#039;t a white-wash.  If you haven&#039;t, you should certainly check it out.  And don&#039;t miss Bishop Bruskewitz&#039;s two cents on the back flap, either.  Powerful stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a6562025b9dd42ed0ffa3ba67d9daba0&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />I just got his book a few days ago, could hardly bear to put it down, and am a little sad I finished reading it this morning.  It&#8217;s that good.  If you haven&#8217;t read it, you should.   Lawler is nuanced and fair in his treatment, and doesn&#8217;t over-state his case, which just makes it so much more effective.  Lawler attacks them from the height of proper Catholicism, unlike most of the critics I&#8217;ve read.  I was pleased it wasn&#8217;t a white-wash.  If you haven&#8217;t, you should certainly check it out.  And don&#8217;t miss Bishop Bruskewitz&#8217;s two cents on the back flap, either.  Powerful stuff.
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this engrossing and erudite blog, as well as for the opportunity to respond.

Imagine you are a missionary among savages (which, let us ruefully admit, most modern Americans are). As Cardinal Newman once suggested, it is not fitting to begin with the intellectually demanding doctrine of the Trinity, much less teachings wholly apt to incite the benighted, attached as they are to their perversities. 

Yet that is what Father seems to have done. In Cambridge, he converted a whole constellation of the children of the Eastern establishment elite. Naturally they were bewildered. Then, when the sapientially dull but diplomatically astute hierarchs asked him to tone down his socially tone-deaf rhetoric, his response was to effectively punch the village chief in the nose.

A just man may prudently challenge the insolent to a joust of honor only in a land where a modicum of justice reigns. But as Father well knew, if anyone knew, the United States was and is a vast land of the recalcitrantly unconconverted led by oligarchs limited in point of nicety of conscience.

That, I take it, is the innermost kernel of Avery Cardinal Dulles&#039; last comprehensive appraisal of Father. Yet irrespective of what Cardinal Dulles remembers, is there not enough on record outside of the recollections of his intimates to suggest that Father indulged his heroic spleen in ways that were counterproductive?

Nothing I have to say about Father is intended  to berate. But like a man playing a chess match with hindsight, I am sad and disappointed when I think of what such an august figure could have accomplished had he modulated his game to fit the confines of the times. Does any of the foregoing not resonate with you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a5a50fbfe70ac406aeb55b156d0b322a&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Thank you for this engrossing and erudite blog, as well as for the opportunity to respond.</p>
<p>Imagine you are a missionary among savages (which, let us ruefully admit, most modern Americans are). As Cardinal Newman once suggested, it is not fitting to begin with the intellectually demanding doctrine of the Trinity, much less teachings wholly apt to incite the benighted, attached as they are to their perversities. </p>
<p>Yet that is what Father seems to have done. In Cambridge, he converted a whole constellation of the children of the Eastern establishment elite. Naturally they were bewildered. Then, when the sapientially dull but diplomatically astute hierarchs asked him to tone down his socially tone-deaf rhetoric, his response was to effectively punch the village chief in the nose.</p>
<p>A just man may prudently challenge the insolent to a joust of honor only in a land where a modicum of justice reigns. But as Father well knew, if anyone knew, the United States was and is a vast land of the recalcitrantly unconconverted led by oligarchs limited in point of nicety of conscience.</p>
<p>That, I take it, is the innermost kernel of Avery Cardinal Dulles&#8217; last comprehensive appraisal of Father. Yet irrespective of what Cardinal Dulles remembers, is there not enough on record outside of the recollections of his intimates to suggest that Father indulged his heroic spleen in ways that were counterproductive?</p>
<p>Nothing I have to say about Father is intended  to berate. But like a man playing a chess match with hindsight, I am sad and disappointed when I think of what such an august figure could have accomplished had he modulated his game to fit the confines of the times. Does any of the foregoing not resonate with you?
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		<title>By: Brother André Marie, M.I.C.M.</title>
		<link>http://brotherandre.stblogs.com/2008/01/28/the-faithful-departed/comment-page-1/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>Brother André Marie, M.I.C.M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 13:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill: My assumption is that you are making reference to Father&#039;s preaching on the Common, as per Dee&#039;s reference. I understand the thinking behind what you say. But to be fair, a few things ought to be recalled, including that the kind of preaching Father engaged in on the Common was not the limit of his apostolic approach. He tended to make converts one-on-one, even after he was unjustly smeared as a &quot;hate priest.&quot; Too, much of what was most talked about in his preaching on the Common constituted direct response to blasphemies shouted against Our Lord and Our Lady. In similar circumstances, St. Louis Marie de Montfort punched a man out and St. Camillus de Lellis threw a man out of a window.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=5e8062d959767176b449fd3809c88ae7&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Bill: My assumption is that you are making reference to Father&#8217;s preaching on the Common, as per Dee&#8217;s reference. I understand the thinking behind what you say. But to be fair, a few things ought to be recalled, including that the kind of preaching Father engaged in on the Common was not the limit of his apostolic approach. He tended to make converts one-on-one, even after he was unjustly smeared as a &#8220;hate priest.&#8221; Too, much of what was most talked about in his preaching on the Common constituted direct response to blasphemies shouted against Our Lord and Our Lady. In similar circumstances, St. Louis Marie de Montfort punched a man out and St. Camillus de Lellis threw a man out of a window.
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://brotherandre.stblogs.com/2008/01/28/the-faithful-departed/comment-page-1/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 08:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct doctrine is not a licence to imprudently inflame the erroneous conscience of one&#039;s neighbor. I salute Father Feeney and his stand, but shrink from his methods, not out of cowardice but by reason of tactical intelligence in such matters.</description>
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		<title>By: DEE</title>
		<link>http://brotherandre.stblogs.com/2008/01/28/the-faithful-departed/comment-page-1/#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>DEE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How well I remember Father Feeney. He used to preach from a tree in Boston Common and lots of kids would liste to him, not me.
May be rest in Peace. He was lucky.</description>
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May be rest in Peace. He was lucky.
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